40{"sid":"DfGiYD1FzTHXLiVnAiKB"}42["messages","[{\"id\":\"918911771182497802\",\"timestamp\":1639156038805,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"nice\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"918913615162134560\",\"timestamp\":1639156478444,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"https://twitter.com/RickSandersLaw/status/1469342802945449993?t=WjnAwNsgDjrxk0Fm2m5dzg&s=19\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/RickSandersLaw/status/1469342802945449993?t=WjnAwNsgDjrxk0Fm2m5dzg&s=19\"},{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/RickSandersLaw/status/1469342802945449993?t=WjnAwNsgDjrxk0Fm2m5dzg&s=19\"},{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/RickSandersLaw/status/1469342802945449993?t=WjnAwNsgDjrxk0Fm2m5dzg&s=19\"}]},{\"id\":\"918913707256463432\",\"timestamp\":1639156500401,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"\\\"Because affirmative defenses such as CDA immunity\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"918913733827395625\",\"timestamp\":1639156506736,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"*screams*\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919007287937486951\",\"timestamp\":1639178811774,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"apparently a bill to make Pacer free made it out of committee on a unanimous voice vote?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919007437149831169\",\"timestamp\":1639178847349,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"I'm going to be super embarrassed if it turns out the place I saw that reported was techdirt.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919021615742844969\",\"timestamp\":1639182227789,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"lol. not yet, but I had passed the news of it on to <@Tim Cushing> to write about at some point...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919030381708202015\",\"timestamp\":1639184317758,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"> In this closed action, plaintiff Fernando Fontanez made a number of unclear allegations\\n> against Facebook, Inc. regarding, among other things, “Identity Theft And Attempted Murder,\\n> Grand Larceny And Attempted Copyright Theft.” The gravamen of the complaint, however,\\n> appeared to be that Facebook disabled Fontanez’s account on the Facebook site, which Fontanez\\n> contends is a breach of contract that caused him damages\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919030528131362826\",\"timestamp\":1639184352668,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I kinda feel bad for these poor judges who have to try comprehending what the hell is being alleged.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919031995936436255\",\"timestamp\":1639184702620,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"Attempted Copyright Theft is a unique one.  I'm not sure how one could try to infringe copyright but fail to do so.   assuming that by theft they mean infringement.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919033043291869234\",\"timestamp\":1639184952329,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"maybe they're actually trying to steal the actual copyright? Like trying to steal the monopoly over the work of authorship?\\n\\n…\\n\\n…anyone? Bueller? Bueller?\\n\\n\\n…Fuck me, I'm giving clowns too much credit…\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919033360276414554\",\"timestamp\":1639185027904,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I can link you to the docket, but do be warned...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919033408166969396\",\"timestamp\":1639185039322,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"It's a handwritten complaint.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919033448474218586\",\"timestamp\":1639185048932,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"And no, he's not a prisoner.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919033531336892426\",\"timestamp\":1639185068688,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60370298/fontanez-v-facebook-inc/\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"link\",\"url\":\"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60370298/fontanez-v-facebook-inc/\"}]},{\"id\":\"919036302253510656\",\"timestamp\":1639185729326,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"We're a Coulrocracy.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919036345157046332\",\"timestamp\":1639185739555,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"That is, a nation governed by clowns.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"919990961050902608\",\"timestamp\":1639413337720,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"Musk is Time's Person of the Year.  In totally unrelated news, nothing means anything anymore\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920014917736726548\",\"timestamp\":1639419049439,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i mean, they once named Hitler man of the year, so, you know...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920020804329168936\",\"timestamp\":1639420452912,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1470459111623979009?t=vmRXl6n7U2DZrJM4oDPbhg&s=19\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1470459111623979009?t=vmRXl6n7U2DZrJM4oDPbhg&s=19\"}]},{\"id\":\"920020846762946630\",\"timestamp\":1639420463029,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Oh. Ohhhhh\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920021273776631828\",\"timestamp\":1639420564837,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"Hitler at least meets their \\\"changes the world\\\" criteria.  I'm not sure the dude running around trying to persuade people they just need to buy a status car to solve climate change is in the same rank.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920021415992897567\",\"timestamp\":1639420598744,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"the correct answer in my mind are the folks who invented the tech behind the covid vaccines.  in a saner age they'd be a household word before the dude constantly tweeting about taking joyrides to orbit.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920024078625169459\",\"timestamp\":1639421233565,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"best day ever for me to have muted the word \\\"elon\\\" though on twitter so at least I have that.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920024461401526303\",\"timestamp\":1639421324826,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"SpaceX has had some really impressive achievements in recent years.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920024523368185946\",\"timestamp\":1639421339600,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Though...well, that's not entirely Musk.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920027457111875614\",\"timestamp\":1639422039059,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i mean, to be fair, tesla has driven the entire electric car market foward, and spacex has actually accomplished a lot. so, i get that. but, still seems like a weird choice.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920027544621809684\",\"timestamp\":1639422059923,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"still, as i noted on twitter, this is the best dunk: https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1470404599420960768\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1470404599420960768\"}]},{\"id\":\"920027795843870721\",\"timestamp\":1639422119819,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I just can't help but notice that a lot of the aerospace contractors that NASA usually ends up with just so happen to be the same ones snatching up the embarrassing amount of military contracts we spend billions providing.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920027875107811368\",\"timestamp\":1639422138717,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"And yet it's SpaceX that keeps winning them?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920028106276888647\",\"timestamp\":1639422193832,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"If we just quietly shifted that military spending to NASA instead, it would probably be the same companies ending up with the money in the end.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920028153584443423\",\"timestamp\":1639422205111,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"But SpaceX would have some pretty mighty competition.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920079300210884638\",\"timestamp\":1639434399417,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"Well Tesla wouldn't be profitable if it weren't for government subsidies either already, they're just eco oriented ones, I believe.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920079525302386708\",\"timestamp\":1639434453083,\"modified\":1639434558835,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"For me my dislike of Musk is attitudinal and personal.   Tesla I'm more interested by, but (perhaps because of Musk) they're not terribly honest & forthright about the potential ecological costs and challenges.  that opacity papers over whether it can actually do net good for the environment for us to switch to electric cars\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920079781184282705\",\"timestamp\":1639434514090,\"modified\":1639434604165,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"limited lithium stocks and the terrible ways it is mined put a limit on how many electric cars can even be produced under the current tech.  it's questionable even if a tesla can be carbon negative given sourcing and mining and construction.  But It could be that Tesla ends up being a carbon negative boon and also pulls a lot of smog out of the air.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920080220579594311\",\"timestamp\":1639434618850,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"but it's up to them to prove it isn't a last throw to try to save an unsustainable transit ecosystem of personal vehicles we'd be better off starting the process of ditching altogether now.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920113273947443260\",\"timestamp\":1639442499387,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/12/woman-lost-metaverse-instagram-handle-days-after-facebook-name-change/\\nThey gave it back, but only after bad publicity.\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/12/woman-lost-metaverse-instagram-handle-days-after-facebook-name-change/\"}]},{\"id\":\"920114620675526676\",\"timestamp\":1639442820472,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"https://twitter.com/IanColdwater/status/1470246803228573697\\n\\\"this is the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen\\\"\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/IanColdwater/status/1470246803228573697\"}]},{\"id\":\"920310552142704640\",\"timestamp\":1639489534174,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"murgatroyd\",\"content\":\"It's almost apocalyptic - \\\"rain of drones\\\".\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920338062393884713\",\"timestamp\":1639496093129,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"what's interesting to me is how a guy so heralded for innovation has companies that routinely stink at very basic customer service. You see it with Tesla vehicles, Tesla solar panel installs, and over at Starlink (which also nabbed nearly a billion in subsidies by gaming the FCC's RDOF subsidy program).\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920387713377632277\",\"timestamp\":1639507930846,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"The recent history in business model innovation has been the continued development of ways to sell more goods with lower quality for higher prices while providing as little customer service as possible.  His cash cow Paypal was an early adopter of email only automated customer service.  Hes absolutely an innovator, just an innovater of sell things to his manosphere tech bros who can't call customer service because that would acknowledge the product wasn't as good as hyped.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920430363879297065\",\"timestamp\":1639518099518,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Vidiot\",\"content\":\"Most functional adults seem to see through his nonsense... wonder where the fanboi thing comes from? https://www.instagram.com/p/CXd4-o0rUeE/\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920677713331777576\",\"timestamp\":1639577072223,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"I blame the cameo in Iron Man 2 😜 I also think he feeds an insatiable need (especially in hustler culture) to believe that everybody's just a few clever tweets or a clever app away from being a billionaire\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920679176095272971\",\"timestamp\":1639577420973,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"America also just seem drawn to these kinds of people who tell us what we want to hear. It's a more extreme example, but I highly recommend the Lady and the Dale documentary if people haven't seen it yet.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920722994647691304\",\"timestamp\":1639587868130,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"my take on elon is more... that he's shitposting in the same way lots of kids shitpost. he just doesn't realize his shitposting has, like, actual consequences. but the kids love it because it shows that shitposters can actually succeed\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920725348356874290\",\"timestamp\":1639588429298,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Interesting take, Mike.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920730841867517962\",\"timestamp\":1639589739053,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i've heard from multiple people who have known elon that he actually has a good sense of humor and most of this is him joking, but without the recognition that most people take him seriously.  and when viewed through that lens... i can often see how he would do what he does. it's incredibly irresponsible and extremely sad that he doesn't recognize the impact, but... it's more understandable\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920731106079301683\",\"timestamp\":1639589802046,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Well, I've had bosses who don't shitpost in public, so...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920736213428731974\",\"timestamp\":1639591019733,\"modified\":1639591516106,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"there's just a weird disconnect from the shitposting and reality that's unsettling. this week's quips came at the same time there was a murder in a Tesla employee parking lot, several business units are under investigation for safety failures, and several whistleblowers emerged with claims of systemic misogyny\\n\\nand he thought that was a good opportunity to insult a female senator (again) for the lolz because she suggested he pay his taxes. like you'd think he'd see some internal pressure to, i dunno, maybe just be quiet for a bit as the companies try to navigate a very delicate, choppy stretch\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920736314897334302\",\"timestamp\":1639591043925,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Stossel stans seem to be more or less identical to Shapiro stans.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920738440985866270\",\"timestamp\":1639591550824,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"What's up with the bizarre trend of people mocking net neutrality because we're not all dead?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920738739712565339\",\"timestamp\":1639591622046,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I mean, you could say the exact same thing about FOSTA as well, but most of these people have no problem agreeing that was bad.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920739298867826698\",\"timestamp\":1639591755359,\"modified\":1639591792675,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"yeah that's been a lazy take for few years. Both by industry-linked people trying to mislead, and folks who don't really understand what the debate was about. \\n\\nbecause the internet didn't explode in a massive multi-color rainbow when net neutrality rules were repealed, fairly modest (by international standards) and popular efforts to try and rein in regional telecom monopolies must have been terrible and pointless, apparently.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920739531144171562\",\"timestamp\":1639591810738,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"People did end up dead from FOSTA\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920739688346710068\",\"timestamp\":1639591848218,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I know. And the damage from net neutrality being repaired is pretty clear as well.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920739893754335232\",\"timestamp\":1639591897191,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"What gets me is that it's the *same people* who understand FOSTA's damage who are parroting the anti-NN garbage.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920739996938403870\",\"timestamp\":1639591921792,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"People I'm confident are smart enough to know better.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920740332650520597\",\"timestamp\":1639592001832,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"at some point the net neutrality debate just got too muddy and boring for ordinary people. I could watch the interest wane like I was looking at a energy meter. I've tried since to shift the focus to the real underlying issue of monopolization and corruption, since that's something most people understand from direct experience with Comcast and AT&T\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920740689183129630\",\"timestamp\":1639592086836,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"still not convinced the Biden FCC will actually revisit it under rosenworcel. I suspect they want to talk ambiguously about the digital divide and keep the focus on the infrastructure investments. nobody really wants to go after politically powerful telecoms tethered to our intelligence gathering.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920742830287249428\",\"timestamp\":1639592597315,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"https://twitter.com/evan_greer/status/1471181855525376005?t=2zdMvpfYw0IjwUO9Oi2aUw&s=19\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/evan_greer/status/1471181855525376005?t=2zdMvpfYw0IjwUO9Oi2aUw&s=19\"}]},{\"id\":\"920742927314087936\",\"timestamp\":1639592620448,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"...anyone else find this timing *extremely* suspicious?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920749485095788605\",\"timestamp\":1639594183945,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"herzigma\",\"content\":\"People who are waiting for Musk to act like a grownup are going to be waiting a long time. How we treat talented adolescents with a public voice says more about our society than about people like him?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920751441059151953\",\"timestamp\":1639594650283,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Oh god, he's going to end up as president isn't he?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920764024101150741\",\"timestamp\":1639597650314,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"I mean, unless we change the Constitution, he can't?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920764254871773204\",\"timestamp\":1639597705334,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"Constitution, shmonstitution, amirite? I mean, that's how things are these days, right?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920764313717837834\",\"timestamp\":1639597719364,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I had forgotten about that part.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920764548703715368\",\"timestamp\":1639597775389,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"But I think we should go all-in on incentivizing asteroid mining or something to keep him busy.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920764580031004733\",\"timestamp\":1639597782858,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"You know. Just in case.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920764981480411186\",\"timestamp\":1639597878571,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"https://twitter.com/coreyspowell/status/1471147994456145926?t=uC0-n5a7p7unG-8RbcmXMQ&s=19\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/coreyspowell/status/1471147994456145926?t=uC0-n5a7p7unG-8RbcmXMQ&s=19\"}]},{\"id\":\"920765139580502068\",\"timestamp\":1639597916265,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"The video is fascinating, sure, but that starting speed was almost 150 km/s. O.o\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920765267326427176\",\"timestamp\":1639597946722,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"That's faster than both Voyager probes *combined.*\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920781163646292048\",\"timestamp\":1639601736700,\"modified\":1639603423705,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"I see now, it's a coordinated comms push by telecom. Same \\\"net neutrality was repealed and the planet didn't explode, so we don't need to restore it\\\" argument popped up simultaneously across like half a dozen industry friendly news outlets, and was also pushed by Pai's former advisor (who now works at a DC comms/lobbying shop that has telecom as one of its clients)\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"920783448057208893\",\"timestamp\":1639602281346,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero-click.html\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"link\",\"url\":\"https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero-click.html\"}]},{\"id\":\"920799418880516107\",\"timestamp\":1639606089087,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"That's how you know they're lying.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921030356675731476\",\"timestamp\":1639661148948,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Vidiot\",\"content\":\"Are you suggesting that Elon should pursue solar opportunities by building a ship and visiting the sun's corona? Probably enough interest for a GoFundMe...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921081239849533480\",\"timestamp\":1639673280442,\"modified\":1639673291320,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/coming-to-an-ocean-near-you-ships-dragged-along-by-giant-kites\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921085238464114698\",\"timestamp\":1639674233786,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"What, utilizing wind power to drive boats?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921085343288131594\",\"timestamp\":1639674258778,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"it’s a pipe dream, it’ll never work\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921085348929486929\",\"timestamp\":1639674260123,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"How innovative\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921123842171219970\",\"timestamp\":1639683437627,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"Okay, Insiders, going to give you a peek behind the writer's room curtain!  Some of us here are having a friendly disagreement or debate over this story and I'm interested in your thoughts!\\n\\nhttps://news.yahoo.com/us-military-apos-restriction-religiously-182217986.html\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://news.yahoo.com/us-military-apos-restriction-religiously-182217986.html\"}]},{\"id\":\"921124176201392168\",\"timestamp\":1639683517266,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"Some of us think that the DoD refusing to allow its insignia to show up on religiously advocating dogtags is a 1A violation and some of us think that the DoD allowing such use would itself be a 1a violation.  Go read the link and then I ask: what say you, vaunted Techdirt community?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921124223580266557\",\"timestamp\":1639683528562,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"Bonus points if you can guess which writers come down on which side of the issue 🙂\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921165055242952704\",\"timestamp\":1639693263589,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"herzigma\",\"content\":\"This was complicated to figure out? There is a company making replica dogtags that are designed to look like official dogtags with official-looking DoD marks but that include religious statements/marks/whatever?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921165095390822502\",\"timestamp\":1639693273161,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"herzigma\",\"content\":\"Are active duty soldiers wearing them?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921178188242096218\",\"timestamp\":1639696394740,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"I can't wait till New Year's Day: Two Disney Characters will (per their original source material) enter the public domain: Winnie-the-pooh and Bambi! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi,_a_Life_in_the_Woods#Copyright_dispute\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi,_a_Life_in_the_Woods\"}]},{\"id\":\"921178302809518101\",\"timestamp\":1639696422055,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"It feels so good when © is expiring again…\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921193401699958865\",\"timestamp\":1639700021911,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"murgatroyd\",\"content\":\"It sounds like these are designed to look just like \\\"real\\\" government-issued dogtags, and include official US insignia.  If that's the case, I think I'm with the DoD on this one - this is an attempt to fool people into thinking these are official, when they're not.  If, however, they're just ID tags that bear some resemblance to \\\"real\\\" dogtags but aren't intended to make people think they're real, I think I'm on the other side.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921193454569136128\",\"timestamp\":1639700034516,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"murgatroyd\",\"content\":\"Pictures would really be helpful here, I think.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921410771878035516\",\"timestamp\":1639751847000,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"they've invented the sailboat\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921420903483580426\",\"timestamp\":1639754262563,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"Making tags that look like official DoD tags isn't the actual issue here. DoD allows the use of its insignias on 3rd party tags, but NOT if they also imprint religious iconography or scripture or anything else that looks like evangelism or religious advocacy.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921421144488288256\",\"timestamp\":1639754320023,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"The MEFF says that would be unconstitutional and the DoD appears to agree, as it's policy is against that use.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921455885526638633\",\"timestamp\":1639762602932,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\":o it just occurred to me that humanity has more or less won at figuring out the sun already.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921456122160902145\",\"timestamp\":1639762659350,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"We have spacecraft at the very outer edge of the solar wind's influence (the Voyager probes), and now we have a craft at the exact source (Parker Solar Probe).\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921459283504271370\",\"timestamp\":1639763413073,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"It sounded to me like the DoD's beef was their trademark being used on the tags together with religious iconography, which does make it sound like they're not suppressing speech so much as reserving their right not to express it\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921459375502147644\",\"timestamp\":1639763435007,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"and avoiding the impression that they endorse religious speech, which would be improper under my understanding of the purposes of the 1A\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921459599033372672\",\"timestamp\":1639763488301,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"A trademark, after all, is an implicit endorsement or sign of ownership/approval.  the speech itself isn't being curtailed, beyond the inaccurate and possibly illegal impression that \\\"the DOD/Army/Navy/etc endorses this religious message\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921459869851222057\",\"timestamp\":1639763552869,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"I mean, imagine the reaction of the Temple of Satan people took any such policy to permit this and issued Official US Army Trademarked Baphomet statues for all your goat sacrificing dark arts needs.   And that's why they can't do it the other way either.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921527236551643177\",\"timestamp\":1639779614342,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"<@mildconcern> yup, I believe you have the facts of the case right. Now go get some bonus points by figuring out who the two friendly disagreeing writers are that are on either side of the issue and which side their on 🙂\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921551545353519124\",\"timestamp\":1639785410012,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"*_they're_ on\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"921607598069940254\",\"timestamp\":1639798774021,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"Now you're making it psychological, not legal, which is bitter irony, since I have no legal credentials but my college degree is in psych, and yet I haven't a clue.  I'm guessing you agree with me however, or are the referee?\",\"embeds\":[]}]"]