40{"sid":"BYRHcC8AIBadv2IxPYHE"}42["messages","[{\"id\":\"931952983611166720\",\"timestamp\":1642265306142,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"Oh sure, I'm not saying entertainment is worthless, but the subtext of the hand wringing over those lost GPUs and the power that was used on them made it sound like if they had been used on playing Halo instead of mining Dogecoin we'd have the cure for cancer by now.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756252474363934\",\"timestamp\":1642456820363,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"I got the notification from <@Mike Masnick> retweeting a Popehat quote-retweeting the crypto bros in question\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756334397489192\",\"timestamp\":1642456839895,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Oops, <@BentFranklin> deleted it\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756349618622504\",\"timestamp\":1642456843524,\"modified\":1642456905669,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"Sorry I deleted because it may have been wrong\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756659305062471\",\"timestamp\":1642456917359,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"It's unclear what the cryptobros' motivations are\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756760232603648\",\"timestamp\":1642456941422,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"https://twitter.com/TheSpiceDAO/status/1482404318347153413\\nhttps://forum.spicedao.xyz/t/nft-of-the-book-w-proof-of-jpeg-proof-of-burn/48\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/TheSpiceDAO/status/1482404318347153413\"}]},{\"id\":\"932756797058592789\",\"timestamp\":1642456950202,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Yes, I read that tweet\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756834459222036\",\"timestamp\":1642456959119,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"Their plan is to scan the book and sell NFTs of the JPGs.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932756892680343573\",\"timestamp\":1642456973000,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"and then burn it\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932757017267957780\",\"timestamp\":1642457002704,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"They seriously don't have a clue about © law, do they?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932757115972501504\",\"timestamp\":1642457026237,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Even after the napster wars\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932757218867159102\",\"timestamp\":1642457050769,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"and the long time when file downloads were the dominant way to listen to music and watch movies.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932757354959753266\",\"timestamp\":1642457083216,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"It's as if they were born yesterday\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932759474731614229\",\"timestamp\":1642457588609,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"This quote by `Defaulteduser` makes sense, legally speaking:\\n> Hello, a couple of comments on your suggestions (mainly regarding the publishing and copyright aspect of it, as that is where my expertise lies).\\n> \\n> Firstly, it is my understanding you would be allowed to place JPEG scans on a blockchain , provided they’re a direct scan, and only one is issued.\\n> \\n> I’d suggest against destroying the book, as I believe you will actually lose rights if you do that (there are certain rights conferred with physical ownership of something that ceases to exist once the object is no longer owned by you, and that includes if it is destroyed).\\n> \\n> Lastly, the ownership of the book unfortunately does not give you rights to create anything new based upon the Dune franchise. That said, it is completely possible to reach out to the appropriate rights holders and see if some sort of deal can be made. While you might not have the rights that you seek, they too don’t have certain rights in relation to your particular book (I’d have to see the particulars of the legal in this book to truly speak to it, but I believe that to be the case).\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932759553290940416\",\"timestamp\":1642457607339,\"modified\":1642457623833,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"from the forum in <@BentFranklin>'s  link\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932782149311012964\",\"timestamp\":1642462994650,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"The most offensive part to me is the \\\"JPG\\\" part.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932782204801675326\",\"timestamp\":1642463007880,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Who scans *anything* as JPGs?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932782233876594768\",\"timestamp\":1642463014812,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"That's what TIFF is for.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932797794463387708\",\"timestamp\":1642466724745,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"For the longest time, until I found out that the \\\"J\\\" in \\\"JPEG\\\" stood for \\\"Joint\\\", I always assumed it stood for \\\"Japanese\\\" as in \\\"Japanese Picture Experts Group\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932797952559317032\",\"timestamp\":1642466762438,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"I was about in junior high, so you could forgive me for thinking that\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932849673507586120\",\"timestamp\":1642479093673,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"It's pronounced \\\"gay-peg.\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"932867720876277781\",\"timestamp\":1642483396501,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"The Handwavy Technobabble Nothingburger\\nhttps://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/nothing-burger.html\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"link\",\"url\":\"https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/nothing-burger.html\"}]},{\"id\":\"933005671178317824\",\"timestamp\":1642516286416,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"https://web3isgoinggreat.com/\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://web3isgoinggreat.com/\"}]},{\"id\":\"933005812392153088\",\"timestamp\":1642516320084,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"https://news.microsoft.com/features/microsoft-to-acquire-activision-blizzard-to-bring-the-joy-and-community-of-gaming-to-everyone-across-every-device/\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://news.microsoft.com/features/microsoft-to-acquire-activision-blizzard-to-bring-the-joy-and-community-of-gaming-to-everyone-across-every-device/\"}]},{\"id\":\"933005973726068797\",\"timestamp\":1642516358549,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Microsoft is acquiring Activision. I guess Microsoft is like Disney in their imperial acquisitions. Otherwise, Nintendo is like Disney.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933024335629795338\",\"timestamp\":1642520736368,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"......more exclusive non-exclusives coming to a reality near you!\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933024580870754325\",\"timestamp\":1642520794838,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"I would say this is the interactive/video-game equivalent of Disney buying Fox.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933024687678697502\",\"timestamp\":1642520820303,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"It's also strange that the definitions of \\\"Big Tech\\\" don't include Microsoft for some reason…\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933034594486321194\",\"timestamp\":1642523182270,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"It's also wild that Microsoft now owns former Sony (Crash and Spyro) and Nintendo (Rare) properties!\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933059222474735739\",\"timestamp\":1642529054040,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"I'm starting to wonder if we're seeing a \\\"great consolidation\\\" moment in the gaming industry, thx in part to the pandemic\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933163252161060954\",\"timestamp\":1642553856650,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/265291075252518912/933161907177799721/-5998222515685666198_121.png\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"image\",\"url\":\"https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/265291075252518912/933161907177799721/-5998222515685666198_121.png\"}]},{\"id\":\"933397045996322826\",\"timestamp\":1642609597444,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"I just need to say that I love that picture.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933399047593676860\",\"timestamp\":1642610074662,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"All right, here's one for ya...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933399094142054410\",\"timestamp\":1642610085760,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"How many Microsoft technicians does it take to change a light bulb?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933399138635227236\",\"timestamp\":1642610096368,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"||None. Darkness is now the industry standard.||\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"933737119061524490\",\"timestamp\":1642690677181,\"modified\":1642724569326,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"IRS Will Soon Require Selfies for Online Access\\nhttps://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/01/irs-will-soon-require-selfies-for-online-access/\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"link\",\"url\":\"https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/01/irs-will-soon-require-selfies-for-online-access/\"}]},{\"id\":\"933879522917494815\",\"timestamp\":1642724628906,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"Tell me again how copyright is supposed to spur new creations?\\nhttps://tedgioia.substack.com/p/is-old-music-killing-new-music\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://tedgioia.substack.com/p/is-old-music-killing-new-music\"}]},{\"id\":\"934067085653471272\",\"timestamp\":1642769347347,\"modified\":1642769370536,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Of course, there are other factors in that, such as more people realizing that awards shows are meaningless garbage, and how people's taste in music is towards more independent musicians…\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"934206888583770163\",\"timestamp\":1642802678963,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"NFTs: all DRM no content\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"934207257393111070\",\"timestamp\":1642802766894,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"yup: https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1484610812144586753\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"rich\",\"url\":\"https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/1484610812144586753\"}]},{\"id\":\"934322085055037441\",\"timestamp\":1642830143942,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"2 hour and 18 minute rant on the problems with everything in the crypto/nft space. i just watched the whole thing. agree with much of it, but not all of it. and still think there are a few interesting ideas in the space, though i think we'll only get there if the nonsense shakes out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"video\",\"url\":\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g\"}]},{\"id\":\"934914401016905738\",\"timestamp\":1642971363072,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"mildconcern\",\"content\":\"\\\"A crypto enthusiast and butthurt Warlock main.\\\"  😂\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935566802245787649\",\"timestamp\":1643126907646,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/15946456/198/almanzar-v-kebe/\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"link\",\"url\":\"https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/15946456/198/almanzar-v-kebe/\"}]},{\"id\":\"935566817370460200\",\"timestamp\":1643126911252,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Found a unicorn.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935566876317204490\",\"timestamp\":1643126925306,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"One of the rare defamation lawsuits that actually *succeeds.*\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935571407100862554\",\"timestamp\":1643128005529,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Not to mention for the jury reward of $1.25 million\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935572132421845062\",\"timestamp\":1643128178459,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Not that the jury reward is indicative of what the judge ultimately approves.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935572204039585872\",\"timestamp\":1643128195534,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Especially given that attorney fees and stuff aren't decided yet.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935572364702404659\",\"timestamp\":1643128233839,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Either way, from what I saw about the case before, this one looked to have actual merit.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935572535435743253\",\"timestamp\":1643128274545,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Like, *actual* false statements of fact being presented as truth by people who genuinely knew better, but did so anyway for the sole purpose of damaging the image of a public figure.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935572839472447578\",\"timestamp\":1643128347033,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Like you said, a unicorn\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935572937279438909\",\"timestamp\":1643128370352,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"and the legal definition of Defamation, so, the plaintiffs should cough it up\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935574026196242452\",\"timestamp\":1643128629970,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"I find it useful in defending the First Amendment to be able to point to exceptions. It's better to be able to argue that it should be hard to prevail than that no one should ever be able to prevail.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935891085794869268\",\"timestamp\":1643204222869,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Vidiot\",\"content\":\"Cookies, FLoC, Topics... I imagine this latest ad-affinity-harvester is supposed to better insure privacy, but it sure doesn't feel like it. Best moment in this story: learning your job title at Google could be \\\"Privacy Sandbox Lead\\\".  Kind of like that refrigerator magnet set where you can arrange random words to create gibberish phrases...  https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/25/google-kills-off-floc-replaces-it-with-topics\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://techcrunch.com/2022/01/25/google-kills-off-floc-replaces-it-with-topics\"}]},{\"id\":\"935947852356661268\",\"timestamp\":1643217757072,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"I think topics is a big, big deal. Will have a post on it shortly.  And, fwiw, the privacy sandbox people at google are amazing, and spend an awful lot of time fighting back against bad ideas that google does. I wish every internet company had that kind of group....\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935949566518386719\",\"timestamp\":1643218165760,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Vidiot\",\"content\":\"An ombudsman function... cool. The TechCrunch story's description of Topics seems to suggest that they're assigning my specific browsing to meta-categories, which ought to depersonalize that data... maybe not get bombarded with ads for a specific Home Depot faucet, but a gentler barrage of home improvement or plumbing suggestions. (I'm guessing.) I have to say that browsing with no affinity suggestions, like Firefox with all the protections enabled, is a pretty sterile experience, and occasionally unhelpful.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935960665888292894\",\"timestamp\":1643220812056,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"I mean, I prefer sterile ads to targeted ads that only offer me products I already bought/chose not to buy.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"935963423836086304\",\"timestamp\":1643221469602,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Vidiot\",\"content\":\"That would be the \\\"gentler\\\" ads for me... preferable, somehow, to the bone-dry, sterile experience of no suggestions whatsoever, which has all the charm of typing plain text into a VT-100 terminal. I guess I've been well-indoctrinated by our evil overlords.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936083954556108810\",\"timestamp\":1643250206365,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"herzigma\",\"content\":\"I was at Google for 3 years and can confirm. Two reasons I worry less about privacy from Google: extreme targeting isn't very profitable for them and Googlers are really into privacy.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936607090053623828\",\"timestamp\":1643374931587,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Yaga\",\"content\":\"Would that actually be SOME Googlers are really into privacy? Just want to get a feeling from an ex-Googler if that feeling really is company-wide or did you feel that one group or another wasn't as concerned about it.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936638526819278879\",\"timestamp\":1643382426696,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"herzigma\",\"content\":\"Good question. It obviously wasn't every Googler feeling equally. And I don't know how to the most senior execs felt. For example, I don't think I spent more than 3 minutes talking to Larry and it was only afterwards that I realized Sergei was actually trying to run away. \\n\\nI'd say that, on average, belief about the importance of personal privacy is substantially higher among Google engineers than average and close to what you'd expect to see among this group. Probably less important for non-engineering people. I have a few examples of where I was trying to launch a product but GTM plans were changed at the last minute because of privacy concerns raised at the last minute by relatively junior engineers. Privacy was also a frequent topic of (personal) conversation on (non-work) internal email lists.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936785267430400050\",\"timestamp\":1643417412384,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"<@Mike Masnick> Good ol' fashioned Streisand Effect: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/01/28/maus-sales-surge-after-tennessee-school-district-bans-the-holocaust-graphic-novel/\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/01/28/maus-sales-surge-after-tennessee-school-district-bans-the-holocaust-graphic-novel/\"}]},{\"id\":\"936785340428066947\",\"timestamp\":1643417429788,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Though I would call this the \\\"Rushdie Effect\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936790183926448190\",\"timestamp\":1643418584568,\"modified\":1643418590608,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i just did an interview for the podcast (not next week's but the following week's...) with the author of a new book on this history of free speech, who points out in the book (and on the podcast) a Roman politician from 2 millenia ago who more or less came up with the Streisand Effect when his writings were banned back then and noted it would make them more desirable.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936790385655681044\",\"timestamp\":1643418632664,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Please tell me that there's some more history regarding a particular bit of beach property he might have owned as well.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"936799092720410664\",\"timestamp\":1643420708590,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"I can't wait!\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"937080429809401896\",\"timestamp\":1643487784579,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Vidiot\",\"content\":\"That podcast has footnotes -- cf. Streisandius ligitosius\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"937815854479966239\",\"timestamp\":1643663123484,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"<@Mike Masnick> I’d like to hear your take on the Neil Young Spotify thing (in the form of a Techdirt post, of course).\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"937816321679327233\",\"timestamp\":1643663234873,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"we have a guest post coming on that\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"937821636206415964\",\"timestamp\":1643664501955,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Yes!\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"937822271588925440\",\"timestamp\":1643664653442,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Timothy Geigner\",\"content\":\"........written by Joe Rogan?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"937873689893019678\",\"timestamp\":1643676912521,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"Unlike some links I post, I read this one to the end\\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/30/alexa-factory-whistleblower-i-was-tortured-and-jailed-now-amazon-should-apologise\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/30/alexa-factory-whistleblower-i-was-tortured-and-jailed-now-amazon-should-apologise\"}]},{\"id\":\"938142940818194452\",\"timestamp\":1643741106944,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"atxstranger\",\"content\":\"Can't wait to see Karl Bode's take on this one: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/att-to-spin-off-warnermedia-in-43-billion-discovery-media-merger.html\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/01/att-to-spin-off-warnermedia-in-43-billion-discovery-media-merger.html\"}]},{\"id\":\"938146128820580403\",\"timestamp\":1643741867023,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"isn't that what was announced last year?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938170365249716305\",\"timestamp\":1643747645438,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"atxstranger\",\"content\":\"yes with the details of the transaction now finalized, which involves the word \\\"leakage\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938824402542411839\",\"timestamp\":1643903580080,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"KBode\",\"content\":\"yeah, they're still digging out from the debt of that $200 billion megamerger spending spree that resulted in (checks notes) a huge reduction in TV subscribers, 50k+ layoffs, and the death of Mad Magazine. leakage indeed!\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938837950786072646\",\"timestamp\":1643906810233,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I'm still stuck on single-line DSL.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938838024375119883\",\"timestamp\":1643906827778,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"But it's good to know AT&T has plenty of money to throw at all these media deals.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938838137415823371\",\"timestamp\":1643906854729,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/facebook-loses-users-for-first-time-ever-market-cap-drops-by-200b/\\n\\nAnd the push for a metaverse owned by facebook as a desperation ploy to retain relevance 'theory' gains another piece of clear evidence.  I doubt a video pivot is going to help, given the way they burned entire websites to the ground lying about its last push into video.\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/facebook-loses-users-for-first-time-ever-market-cap-drops-by-200b/\"}]},{\"id\":\"938872039345909820\",\"timestamp\":1643914937579,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"MSR4\",\"content\":\"Second life really did not take off, I doubt that the metaverse will as well.  I could see a mesh of Facebook and augmented reality using a google glass type of device. But not pure metaverse using VR headsets.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938876404173512765\",\"timestamp\":1643915978235,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"My view is that if i look at predictions of what a connected world would be that predates mass adoption of the world wide web, it looked only superficially like it looks today.  AOL and Compuserve derived experiences abounded when those were popular. VR has been sold to us for decades, and facebook is trying, top-down, to dictate how that will look, and drawing directly from the sci-fi around VR, but because it’s a top down dictate, no one can really experiment with what works.  The internet thrived because it had a wild west period.  Almost anything goes, and it allowed breakthrough developments.  Second life and now meta both face the barrier that really, we can only do what meta predicts we will do.  Second life had an extensive in-game design system, but even there exists limitations within the language and apis provided. It’s why meta wants to build it, because then you are locked in to what they tell you you can do.  They want your work to buy in, so you can’t choose to not use the meta verse.  And then it’s just the inevitable slide into the movie version of IOI selling ad overlays while you work until you have a seizure.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938877349892616312\",\"timestamp\":1643916203712,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"it’s a gimmick, a desperate attempt to innovate for a company that’s stolen all its ideas for a decade.  it’s another stolen idea that will fail.  but my original goal started as a laugh at all the people who keep saying facebook is forever, and fell apart once i realized that was too mean spirited.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938897863788859462\",\"timestamp\":1643921094606,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"the closest any of these companies could come to \\\"creating the metaverse\\\" is if Microsoft open-sourced Minecraft 🙂\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938898447329820743\",\"timestamp\":1643921233733,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"like apart from vague statement about visions of pervasive interconnectedness, there's very little in any of these corporate efforts - and even in most of the crypto/web3 visions like decentraland etc. - that shows any *actual* movement towards a platform that people can build on and extend in the same way they could with core internet technologies\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938898799403880549\",\"timestamp\":1643921317674,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"and thus not much to distinguish them from just \\\"another online virtual world\\\" (not a new thing)\\n\\nbut if you took an already-popular virtual world engine based around building and customization, that already has a somewhat federated network of servers many of which make use of modding capabilities to extensively change the game, etc. - and made that *even more open* so people could do whatever they wanted with it... well, that *might* actually look like an interesting step towards something resembling this vague buzzwordy notion of \\\"the metaverse\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938899244918657085\",\"timestamp\":1643921423893,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"(not to suggest that would actually happen though since these companies seem either not actually truly that interested in \\\"the metaverse\\\" or only interested inasmuch as they can have control over its core)\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938905460042518588\",\"timestamp\":1643922905694,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"A lot of the experimentation that Microsoft was doing with hololens looked really cool.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938905547829284934\",\"timestamp\":1643922926624,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Then again, a *lot* of stuff that Microsoft experiments with looks really cool.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938905647859265586\",\"timestamp\":1643922950473,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Very little of that coolness remains by the time they figure out how to bring it to market.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938954478839808071\",\"timestamp\":1643934592686,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Open-sourcing is more difficult than you might think, because sometimes the code is built upon proprietary code or tools.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"938955351900971048\",\"timestamp\":1643934800840,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Making the source code available ≠ Making open-source\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939188735973675008\",\"timestamp\":1643990443939,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"I'm curious, what about microsoft's entire history of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish makes you think they use third party proprietary licensed code they cant control?  Anything Mojang might have needed to license for the PC edition back in the day, I imagine Microsoft could re-implement on in house code, and would just to pump the bottom line.  Its why Microsoft wont open source Minecraft, that desire for control of their own code.  But if they'd already gotten to the point of open sourcing Minecraft itself, finding a way to open source whatever killer shared code it uses doesn't sound far fetched.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939199028581769258\",\"timestamp\":1643992897888,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"> I'm curious, what about microsoft's entire history of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish makes you think they use third party proprietary licensed code they cant control? \\nMicrosoft has also embraced open-source tools and code before; they even offer ways to download Linux. \\nAnyway, good points.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939207062263566456\",\"timestamp\":1643994813267,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"Well I didn't say it'd be *easy* (I don't imagine \\\"creating the metaverse\\\" should be easy!)\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939207099450290236\",\"timestamp\":1643994822133,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"nor am I really making a real proposal for something i think will happen or anything\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939208847162232862\",\"timestamp\":1643995238820,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"Fair enough, <@Leigh Beadon>.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939209132345536542\",\"timestamp\":1643995306813,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"BTW, a _shitload_ (pardon the obscenity) of good entrants in the #Gaming-like-it's-1926 game jam, albeit I fail to see how a few of them are remixing works from 1926 or sound recordings ere 1923\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939209616607305749\",\"timestamp\":1643995422270,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Leigh Beadon\",\"content\":\"yeah a couple we will look closer at to figure that out but agreed, the entries are fantastic!\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939230390319710259\",\"timestamp\":1644000375109,\"modified\":1644000780767,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"There's a game based on Franz Kafka's _The Castle_, and I believe it's _not_ in the public domain, because of the precedent set by the US Ninth Circuit Court's decision ruling that Bambi's US publication–and not its original Austrian Publication–counts towards the year when it enters public domain.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"939230499128361001\",\"timestamp\":1644000401051,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Samuel Abram\",\"content\":\"That being said, I think it would be cruel to reject a game based on a technicality such as that.\",\"embeds\":[]}]"]