40{"sid":"BjfIVP6j_Q_9Q30fA3Dx"}42["messages","[{\"id\":\"974428149171494962\",\"timestamp\":1652392174762,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I found it rather curious that they got involved in this case so early on.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428164237455411\",\"timestamp\":1652392178354,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"oh wow\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428250027745280\",\"timestamp\":1652392198808,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge just told bayside's lawyer to take down his slide presentation. \\\"i don't need to see this\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428514210172968\",\"timestamp\":1652392261794,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"\\\"i don't think you're going to convince me that Twitter doesn't have standing here.\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428715066998795\",\"timestamp\":1652392309682,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Sounds like the judge is already convinced that the magistrate's ruling is wrong.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428747069534299\",\"timestamp\":1652392317312,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"hopefully\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428825939226754\",\"timestamp\":1652392336116,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Likely just a measure of how wrong.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974428867630624808\",\"timestamp\":1652392346056,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"Bayside also kept referring back to magistrate, and judge says \\\"this is de novo, don't need to talk about judge ryu's ruling\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429252910997525\",\"timestamp\":1652392437914,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside lawyer claiming he doesn't even know how to pronounce sheth's name\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429288055050292\",\"timestamp\":1652392446293,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge seems to get the issues\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429442355101826\",\"timestamp\":1652392483081,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside trying to argue that moneybags could have posted any image he wanted and didn't need to use bayside's images. judge is not buying it\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429694999011379\",\"timestamp\":1652392543316,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Uhhh, hasn't it already been established that Bayside didn't even exist at the time, let alone hold a copyright on the images?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429722383618068\",\"timestamp\":1652392549845,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"\\\"he could have used a picture of a dog. it could have been any person.\\\"  judge: \\\"well, if it was a dog, i'd be more inclined to believe that there's no connection between the photo and sheth.\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429775353511976\",\"timestamp\":1652392562474,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike 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photo\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974429995596402698\",\"timestamp\":1652392614984,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge is not buying it\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974430013959061555\",\"timestamp\":1652392619362,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"...that they own?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974430309141610496\",\"timestamp\":1652392689739,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge \\\"why do you keep saying there's no connection between sheth and the photo.\\\"  bayside \\\"I don't know Sheth.\\\" Judge: \\\"I didn't ask you that and I find it interesting that you rushed to claim that...\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974430644685926450\",\"timestamp\":1652392769739,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"This judge sees right through them.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974430877851455498\",\"timestamp\":1652392825330,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"nice. judge highlightning the anonymity, and saying you can't just treat it like a straight dmca subpoena\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431018834620517\",\"timestamp\":1652392858943,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge saying he has the responsibility to protect the interest of the anonymous speaker to the extent that it needs to be protected\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431430773977088\",\"timestamp\":1652392957157,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"hahaha\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431459496575067\",\"timestamp\":1652392964005,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Oh thank god, a hearing about Internet anything that doesn't imply doom\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431479302078464\",\"timestamp\":1652392968727,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"We need that. >.<\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431645904031784\",\"timestamp\":1652393008448,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside saying it can't file a complaint until they have the identity. Judge: that's not true. We get Doe complaints all the time\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431799700750406\",\"timestamp\":1652393045116,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I used to have a filter setup for all the Strike 3 filings.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431846064594994\",\"timestamp\":1652393056170,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"There were...a few\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974431951748493383\",\"timestamp\":1652393081367,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge's phone just rang. and he just joked that he was going to toss out whoever's phone rang.  ha ha\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974432135702282242\",\"timestamp\":1652393125225,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Someone's in a really good mood.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974432195907321936\",\"timestamp\":1652393139579,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"he very much seems to get it\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974432255671955466\",\"timestamp\":1652393153828,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"says his initial reaction is that fair use applies\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974432630923751464\",\"timestamp\":1652393243295,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside now saying \\\"maybe moneybags isn't a us citizen, so doesn't get fair use\\\"  really reaching.  judge is like \\\"c'mon\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974432893969506354\",\"timestamp\":1652393306010,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i would say this hearing is not going the way bayside expected\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433084072153098\",\"timestamp\":1652393351334,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge: \\\"you haven't said anything about the photo or the market or who bayside is\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433298149433424\",\"timestamp\":1652393402374,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"omg\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433372250177607\",\"timestamp\":1652393420041,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge \\\"did bayside even exist when these photos were posted\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433523203207239\",\"timestamp\":1652393456031,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"that was after bayside said that if moneybags came and asked for a license, they would have considered it.  judge \\\" but you didn't exist\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433628975153212\",\"timestamp\":1652393481249,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge calling out that there's no way to contact bayside based on its website\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433637250519040\",\"timestamp\":1652393483222,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"HAHAHAHAHHA\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433668036710480\",\"timestamp\":1652393490562,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"\\\"looks like a sham website\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433726249455696\",\"timestamp\":1652393504441,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"\\\"do you really want to contend that moneybags could have gone to bayside?\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433733895655434\",\"timestamp\":1652393506264,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"OMG\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974433883275821116\",\"timestamp\":1652393541879,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside \\\"i don't have the website in front of me.\\\"  judge: \\\"well, let's call it up. let's go.\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974434123856875530\",\"timestamp\":1652393599238,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"he's pointing out there's no contact info. \\\"seems like a sham website to me. can you explain this?\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974434152432693268\",\"timestamp\":1652393606051,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside \\\"i don't know.\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974434161035182160\",\"timestamp\":1652393608102,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"hahahahahah\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974434328769601637\",\"timestamp\":1652393648093,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"\\\"it says copyright 2021. so maybe it wasn't even up in 2020. looks like it was set up in a hurry.\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974434511716757566\",\"timestamp\":1652393691711,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge saying that maybe they need to have an evidentiary hearing to find out who is behind bayside and why it sete up a website hurriedly\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974434976311414814\",\"timestamp\":1652393802479,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"uh oh\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974435771320782938\",\"timestamp\":1652393992024,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I would say this is a bit of an understatement.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974436069384798228\",\"timestamp\":1652394063088,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside arguing that you can't do a fair use analysis unless you know the speaker\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974436139056365628\",\"timestamp\":1652394079699,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Did they even send a DMCA notice?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974436191413862421\",\"timestamp\":1652394092182,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"to twitter?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974436205154406400\",\"timestamp\":1652394095458,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"And doesn't that require having a registered agent or something?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974436256354295808\",\"timestamp\":1652394107665,\"modified\":1652394112807,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Or was that only for the receiving end?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974436612563931178\",\"timestamp\":1652394192592,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i think they sent a takedown first and then immediately the h subpoena\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974441489692237854\",\"timestamp\":1652395355390,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge gave bayside a choice: i can deny your request now based on the info in front of me, or do you want the opportunity for further factual development... implying that would include an evidentiary hearing about bayside and who they are\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974441779237617674\",\"timestamp\":1652395424423,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"omg\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974441800590848051\",\"timestamp\":1652395429514,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"omg\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974441813362507817\",\"timestamp\":1652395432559,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"this is amazing\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974442124160434186\",\"timestamp\":1652395506659,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"wow\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974442508329320448\",\"timestamp\":1652395598252,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside wanted to just get out of this and the judge is not letting them\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974442556966461461\",\"timestamp\":1652395609848,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge is now digging in\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974444015804117032\",\"timestamp\":1652395957662,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"wow\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974444035492151297\",\"timestamp\":1652395962356,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"this is kind of amazing\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974444569104089128\",\"timestamp\":1652396089579,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"copyright alliance amicus brief mentioned in passing\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974444725824274514\",\"timestamp\":1652396126944,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"wow\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974444756597895248\",\"timestamp\":1652396134281,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"this is going even further downhill for bayside\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974444937150103613\",\"timestamp\":1652396177328,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"judge is considering if he should do further investigation into bayside as an independent duty over whether bayside is abusing judicial process and if there are rule 11 violations\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445078422650901\",\"timestamp\":1652396211010,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I'm picturing the very end of Rat Race, where the ultra-rich jackass got screwed over big time and just openly cries as his fortunes are ripped away from him.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445204633452604\",\"timestamp\":1652396241101,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Except without the Smash Mouth.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445215098224660\",\"timestamp\":1652396243596,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside's lawyer is not looking comfortable\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445575376347256\",\"timestamp\":1652396329493,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"he tried to argue, and judge shut him down again\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445601968246844\",\"timestamp\":1652396335833,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"hearing over\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445718863491172\",\"timestamp\":1652396363703,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"no ruling from the bench, but that went about as poorly for bayside as possible\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974445871456464896\",\"timestamp\":1652396400084,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside's lawyer needs to have a loooooooong call with his client\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974447061963534407\",\"timestamp\":1652396683923,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"Once again, things don't tend to end very well for the lawyers who try casting Paul Alan Levy aside.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974453514925383680\",\"timestamp\":1652398222429,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i mean he started out by claiming bayside agreed with paul, and the judge was like \\\"no you don't\\\"\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974459229362606122\",\"timestamp\":1652399584857,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"OMG Rule 11 for a subpoena??? ❤️\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974460683011915776\",\"timestamp\":1652399931434,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"yeah. i mean, the real threat was to hold a hearing on who is truly behind bayside. and it seemed like the lawyer wanted NO PART OF THAT\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974461017876746241\",\"timestamp\":1652400011272,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"and the judge was explicit with him, saying \\\"are you actually saying you'd rather have me just quash the subpoena now than hold an evidentiary hearing, where, in theory you could add more to the record for your argument?\\\" and the guy said yes.  And that's when he started talking about his independent duty to make sure nothing abusive was going on...\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974463505988218880\",\"timestamp\":1652400604484,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Cathy Gellis\",\"content\":\"I once wrote a brief for fees on a quashed subpoena that talked about how Rule 11 should apply, but I had to write it via analogy. It would be fantastic, and hopefully nip a lot of wrongful subpoenas in the bud, if there was actual language to cite.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974463985439096833\",\"timestamp\":1652400718794,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i think paul sort of hinted to that idea to the judge\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974464063922929714\",\"timestamp\":1652400737506,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"paul really acted like a real amicus should, and the judge treated him as an advisor to the court.  it was impressive\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974464216184549427\",\"timestamp\":1652400773808,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"the judge did ask paul whether or not there were other abuses like this, and paul raised the jehovah's witnesses situation that he's gotten involved in.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974464356605632582\",\"timestamp\":1652400807287,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"so, who knows.  my guess is the judge calms down, quashes the subpoena, but simply wags a finger at bayside, rather than doing much more.  but... we can hope\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974464466412535868\",\"timestamp\":1652400833467,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"bayside certainly suggested that they'd appeal the quashing to the 9th circuit\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974464547731697694\",\"timestamp\":1652400852855,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"and i almost wonder if that makes the judge more interested in rule 11\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974472415692341308\",\"timestamp\":1652402728723,\"modified\":1652402780590,\"handle\":\"BentFranklin\",\"content\":\"I looked up Rule 11 for non lawtalkers:  https://www.upcounsel.com/legal-def-sanctions-rule-11\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"article\",\"url\":\"https://www.upcounsel.com/legal-def-sanctions-rule-11\"}]},{\"id\":\"974494558652080170\",\"timestamp\":1652408008016,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"John Roddy\",\"content\":\"I don't suppose there's a transcript of the hearing available, is there?\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974510039886860329\",\"timestamp\":1652411699030,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i doubt there will be\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974510080923930634\",\"timestamp\":1652411708814,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"it was truly delicious though\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974510176411467796\",\"timestamp\":1652411731580,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"Mike Masnick\",\"content\":\"i am guessing a ruling will come soon. the big question is just how bad is it for bayside\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974672590339710996\",\"timestamp\":1652450454078,\"modified\":1652450496822,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"Musk is making performative tweets which suggests he might already be having cold feet on the twitter purchase.  He's suggested that Twitter's Monetizable Daily Active Users (mDUA) estimates are wrong, specifically that twitter's disclosure that the estimated mDAU, despite efforts, may include bots and spam accounts but such accounts are estimated to only make up less than 5% of the mDAU.  Musk cited a Reuters article from 11 days ago, but as Hoeg Law on YouTube points out, the language Reuters references has appeared in earlier disclosures by twitter, including prior to Musk's investment in Twitter.  The running theory seems to be that it is a way to cancel the deal that doesn't trigger Musk's $1B guarantee for backing out given Musk's unnecessarily public declaration that the deal was \\\"on hold\\\", but being less charitable to Musk than this nominally neutral legal commenter, I think it just proves how little Musk knew about what he was getting into, such as how estimating DAU let alone mDAU is a crapshoot.\",\"embeds\":[]},{\"id\":\"974672599651074058\",\"timestamp\":1652450456298,\"modified\":0,\"handle\":\"deadspatula\",\"content\":\"https://youtu.be/g3Q7nL4ezzY\",\"embeds\":[{\"type\":\"video\",\"url\":\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Q7nL4ezzY\"}]}]"]